I'm About to Give Up on InnoScript - Part 1

Started by tomb, November 28, 2007, 06:29:15 AM

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Tom Buggy

Yeah, Good luck with PDW. You will not only be lost but will take out the target computer...
 
You folks are really good at fear marketing.  We've distributed five apps with PDW Setup and have yet to take out the target computer.  That said, this app uses ADO databases which led me to look for what supposedly is a safer approach.
 
You really don't need to do anything but run the program it will do 99% of everything for you.
 
The program (InnoScript) tells me I have 19 missing files, ALL of which are in WindowsSystem32.  How am I to know if any of them are unsafe?
 
I'm not sure of the significance of your point about third party components.  We have some and I know they can be re-distrubuted.  Interestingly, InnoScript accepts them without question.

admin

It would really be more helpful if you ran the program and posted the script then directed the question to the portions you have trouble with...

admin

Yeah, Good luck with PDW. You will not only be lost but will take out the target computer...
 
You really don't need to do anything but run the program it will do 99% of everything for you.
 
Basically if you have third party software that you use in your application you check with the vendor to make sure you can re-distribute the components you want to use. Some vendors do require royalties for use of their components in your application. It's really a legal issue...

Tom Buggy

That's the way MS likes everyone to be... Confused.
 
Well, MS (and InnoScript) have certainly succeeded in confusing me.  I have no idea how to do the research.  If you've done most of the work already and most of the files you don't need to worry about where do I go from here (except perhaps back to the PDW)?

admin

And just how am I supposed to know those two things?...
 
That's where the research comes in... We have done most of the work already but we can't do it all... Most of the files you don't need to worry about but there are always some that are there... That's the way MS likes everyone to be... Confused. They could supply a list but then again that would be too simple...

admin

To further clarify on the missing files. The only difference in files that are missing would be files that are removed by the Unsafe file list. If both versions have the same updated UnSafe file list then the same files will be removed.

Tom Buggy

Research the files mean to make sure you can deploy those file. Meaning that you don't need a license to re-distribute and that they are actually safe for the target OS...  
 
And just how am I supposed to know those two things?

admin

The app was designed to show on best on the screen it was designed for, what some says is standard really means minimum... We don't operate at the minimum requirements.
 
Research the files mean to make sure you can deploy those file. Meaning that you don't need a license to re-distribute and that they are actually safe for the target OS... You can always just throw caution to the wind and just include them without the research...
 
The system files need to be in another folder to make sure that if you include those files in your deployment you actually made the effort to make sure they were included and it was not a mistake. It helps to keep people from blaming the software (You can argue with JR Software on that one , but I agree with them).
 
Safe to Re-distribute mean that you will not corrupt the target system when you deploy those files. For most of the files, care has been taken using the UnSafe file list to remove files that should not be deployed but there are always more...
 
There is no difference in the version with respect to missing files...
 
More information on the changes can be found here Release History

Tom Buggy

Look, I don't wish to get into an unproductive debate, but:
 
-- 1280x800 is the MINIMUM setting to see everything.  It's not a matter of choice if one wants to see it all.  My display setting of 1024x768 is what came with the computer so I doubt 1280x800 is a standard.  Could it possibly be that the situation is caused by poor screen design on your part?
 
-- You say research those files to make sure they can be deployed.  What does that mean - that they exist or something else?  If the former, why do they need to be in another folder?
What does safe to redistribute mean (as quoted in the instructions that I did read)?  I challenge your statement that the information is explained in detail.  Is it intelligible detail?
 
-- Why the difference between the previous V7.3 conversion and the V8.0 conversion with respect to missing files?

admin

You can run with any setting you want... It just states that that is the best setting to see everything... Your choice.
 
A good choice would have been to read the instructions that state exactly how to handle missing files and why they are missing. That information is explained in detail.  
 
You are supposed to research those files to make sure they can be deployed and then copy them to another folder that you will tell InnoScript to search for those files.

Tom Buggy

Using V7.3 Build 0 I was able to prepare a script in Safe Mode for installing a VB6 app on XP.  With V8.0 Build 0 Beta I get 19 missing files, all of which seem to be in WindowsSystem32 and all of which are found in Unsafe Mode.  What am supposed to do?
 
Also, the requirement to run the program in 1280x800 screen resolution is ridiculous.  Why should I have to screw up my display with small print for the sake of this program?  (My normal setting is 1024x758.)